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I'll bet a nickel that properly applied Gorilla glue will be the strongest bond.
I'm looking forward to hearing the results of your test.
Just one thing. Only the brown Gorilla Glue is expanding. The clear glue is gap filling. But does not expand upon drying. Everyone I know is using the clear stuff.
Good luck with the test!
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(1st-Sep-24, 11:55 AM)KensRedZed Wrote: I'll bet a nickel that properly applied Gorilla glue will be the strongest bond.
I'm looking forward to hearing the results of your test.
Just one thing. Only the brown Gorilla Glue is expanding. The clear glue is gap filling. But does not expand upon drying. Everyone I know is using the clear stuff.
Good luck with the test!
Ken
Well I am not taking any bets, but I thought I will start this test next week before we start this proxy and then see if they all get to the end of the series.
I will use the same std Slot it hubs and I have a bag of BRM shore 20 rubber tyres.
1) superglue which I use.
2) IC2000 ( Rubber toughened) superglue
3) Locktite 480 (Rubber toughened) Superglue
4) Gorilla clear ( sebacate based )
5) shoe Goo ( styrene butadiene rubber in solvent.
6) Fantastic Elastic ( sebacate based)
7) Uhu (Superglue)
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I used ShoeGoo on a couple of sets and it was OK but not brilliant as it can be peeled off as it doesn't bond to the rubber like other glues.
Gorilla clear isn't gap-filling as such, that's the light brown foaming stuff.
I bought a bottle of IC2000 but it went off very quickly and won't ever buy again.
The Uhu I mentioned was supposedly the stuff recommended by NSR a few years ago.
The Team Yokomo RC guys use 'Yokomo Omakase GLUE EX Instant Tire Adhesive'...it's not easy to find though but is for rubber tyres on plastic wheels.
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I always used the cheapest runniest superglue I could find.
It worked, it sometimes broke away, it sometimes needed to be reglued....but I never felt the need to seek out the grooviest glue that was out there.
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As a retired plastic technologist, I can say that there is only about 2 or 3 manufacturing companies who actually make Superglue because it is quite a specialised manufacture process, Locktite was one and Permabond, perhaps one other who bought the license from Eastman Kodak when it was around.
Most of the others are really distributors who repackage the same product under their name. I get my Superglue from B&Q under their own Holden brand and it works just as well as other branded Superglues.
The question is more related to when you get Superglue mixtures made, where Rubber toughening agents are added in specifically to adhere to rubber, usually the black liquid versions. But do these types adhere to aluminium hubs as well as pure Superglue ?
And what of the other (non superglue) adhesive types you get with Gorilla Clear, or Flexible shoe glues ? I don't have any experience with these, so it will be an interesting experiment to compare them all using the same tyre compound and wheel rims.
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I have been using Loctite 380 "Black Max" (different from Loctite 480) for close to 20 years, on both rubber and urethane tires on plastic/alu./magnesium wheels without fail,........it is from Loctites' Industrial division, and has considerably better shear strength, peel resistance, and shock absorption, vs. any of the typical "consumer" glues. (There are several Independent Technical Data Sheets available online outlining the results).
I/we have glued hundreds of rubber/urethane tires over the years for shop customers/club members without fail.
It is not available in your typical hardware/DIY shops, (you will find it at Industrial supply shops/online,) and unfortunately, it is not priced like the "consumer" brands,...that said, worth every penny.
Cheers
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Well there's a purchase that will test your dedication to this hobby...
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Don't expect to find a bottle of that for under a tenner guys
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From my industrial experience I think Locktite 380 is basically a refined version of 480 but it is aimed at precision industrial applications, where the product is expected to have higher performance in order to satisfy the industrial customers making critical components.
The basic chemical composition will be the same.
However if someone wants to donate 1gram to me for free , I would be quite happy to check it out for slot car tyres ?
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Once you've found something less expensive that works with 100% success. Why change?
After a perfect record for the last 6-years, there's always a Gorilla in my shop.
On the other hand. Gorilla duct tape sucks. 3M blows it out of the water.
You take your chances with consumer products.
Ken
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