[JMay]

StuBeeDoo’s post is only the tip of the Arctic sized iceberg issue of electricity supply where many UK homes have outdated wiring unsuitable for fast charging.

If you take the politicians wishful thinking of banning new combustion engine vehicles and going over to electric vehicles by 2035 then consider the following.

Friday evening home from the weekly commute the EV owner plugs his EV into his fast charger say rated at 4.8Kw (20A) to charge up for the following week, this is repeated up and down the country and again say just 50,000 cars out of @33 million cars on UK roads are being charged.

4800W x 50,000 cars = 240GW of energy per hour required for 6-10 hours Friday evening/ Saturday morning.


Current UK peak generating capacity is less than 80GW………


Cheers
John

[StuBeeDoo]

........  And I meant to include in my previous post (in response to dvd3500) that Wikipedia is hardly the most trustworthy source on the internet.

[merkit the grof]

I was planning on buying an EV for my wife, as she rarely travels more than 20 miles from home - and usually a lot less than that.

  Our garage is detached, roughly 30mtrs from the back of the property.  It has electricity to it, but just a simple spur off the kitchen ring main.  Not completely insurmountable.

If your wife only travels short distances, why don't you start shopping at Asda and take advantage of the free electricity?
Either that or charge up overnight in the garage, I am informed many EVs come with a 3 pins charging lead.

dvd3500 is right, loads of "interesting" posts in this thread.


Joel

[CMOTD]

I am not sure that Sainsbury's locally is free, I'll have to check next time I go 

Yes they are Tel, any Sainsbury's with charging points gives customers free electricity while they are in the store. Not the fastest rate but enough for 30 miles travel after an hour.

Returning to my original gripe:
regardless of your views on the merits or otherwise of EVs do you think it acceptable for a supermarket to give one section of its customer base (EV owners) a free gift while denying the same benefit to a much larger portion of their customers (IC car owners)? I am sorely tempted to put 5 litres of petrol in my car on my next visit and refuse to pay for it on the basis that I am also entitled to 30 miles of free travel!

[Henk]

Total and utter FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) being posted here...
Try some real valid sources before posting such nonsense:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmen...ctric_cars
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-...ince-1957/

So in the UK (!) it 33% of the electricity still being produced with fossil fuels, in the EU however this varies.
Big deal, still you can’t do without fossil fuel and it’s also depending on the weather.

I don’t care about the environmental footprint of battery cars, still the disposal problem exists. But if you dump these obsolete batteries in some third world country you won’t see them so they’re not a problem.

Here in the Netherlands the infrastructure poses a big problem, if everyone would drive electric tomorrow the whole grid would collapse. Already there is a list with companies who want to access the grid but can’t because there is no more capacity. I cannot believe that in other European countries and the UK the situation is different.

You don’t have to justify why you chose to go electric, I even thought about it as well. But even if I would have bought one I wouldn’t be more catholic than the pope and fiercely defend what I think is right. What is good for you doesn’t need to be good for someone else.

[Nonfractal]

This thread is a bit GOGSy so I wasn't going to engage, but here's my view anyway.

I worked for oil companies for a solid 30 years. 
If Greta T. Is guarding the gates of heaven by the time I get there, I'm hellbound for sure. 

I drive a 2 litre petrol Golf GTi mk5 and will replace it when the new arises, however the car is :
- Still solid at 17 years old and at 110k  miles
- easily capable of the 10k per year I drive
- complies with london  Ulez so no charge for me to drive into the outskirts of London (which I do  weekly to race at LSCC.)


Electric vehicles won't solve the  congestion, parking or fatalities associated with cars. 
In the end , government policy drives our car buying decisions (including the decision of whether to even own a car)
Government policy drives clean energy generation but with idiots like grant schnapps blocking progress, what chance?

EVs are not a pollution free technology,  they are are "pollution elsewhere" technology until we reach a point where 100% of electricity generation is carbon emissions free. 
Don't try to tell me that "carbon capture" will solve this. It's been pedalled for decades as the solution yet no large scale carbon capture is a in place as of today.

If you want real insight into the subject of fossil fuels, take a look, at the BBC documentary  "big oil versus the world" On iplayer.
I recently saw an advert ( packaged as a documentary) on the jaguar EV. Jaguar seemed very pleased at how "integrated" the batteries are into the car fabrication.
Integrated means impossible to replace economically. 

Diesel? 
One of the very few subjects where Jeremy Clarkson and I agree : "the fuel of the devil" 
Never have (and never will) own a diesel

AlanW

PS
I take it as a FACT that we have to stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere

[dvd3500]

Total and utter FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) being posted here...
Try some real valid sources before posting such nonsense:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmen...ctric_cars
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-...ince-1957/

So in the UK (!) it 33% of the electricity still being produced with fossil fuels, in the EU however this varies.
Big deal, still you can’t do without fossil fuel and it’s also depending on the weather.

I don’t care about the environmental footprint of battery cars, still the disposal problem exists. But if you dump these obsolete batteries in some third world country you won’t see them so they’re not a problem.

Here in the Netherlands the infrastructure poses a big problem, if everyone would drive electric tomorrow the whole grid would collapse. Already there is a list with companies who want to access the grid but can’t because there is no more capacity. I cannot believe that in other European countries and the UK the situation is different.

You don’t have to justify why you chose to go electric, I even thought about it as well. But even if I would have bought one I wouldn’t be more catholic than the pope and fiercely defend what I think is right. What is good for you doesn’t need to be good for someone else.

Don't you have those little boxes in stores to put your batteries from your flashlight?
Guess what, they have those for electric car batteries as well.

In fact the law has been in place since 2006 and applies to EV batteries as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_Directive
And are also subject to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_Lif..._Directive

There are 2 companies within 50 km of me that recycle batteries. Guess what their problem is? EV batteries are lasting a lot longer than they expected. They can't get enough of them...

Did you know that over 30% of copper in your car is likely recycled?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper#Res...and_prices

I bet if everyone in the Netherlands passed gas at the same time it would increase methane to the point of everyone collapsing...

(that was supposed to be a joke...)

But seriously, why does everyone freak out about the power grid when no one who is actually in the power generation business is?
Think about it: It is new, high demand and the whole point of capitalism is to meet demand.
You say there are problems with companies. Please send me links. I can deduce Dutch fine and google usually does a good job. :-)

I never ever said someone else has to do what I do and I have pointed out multiple times that EVs are not perfect but I will not allow complete and utter falsehoods stand (such as how much of power generated is from fossil fuel or that batteries end up in landfills)

Honestly EV and renewable technology is moving so fast anything you read 3 months ago is probably already out of date.... That's why I enjoy it so much...

[merkit the grof]

Returning to Brian's gripe, I have a similar problem with Sainsbury's, they have Marmite on offer all the time, as a hater, I do not benefit from that, it's unfair.


Joel

[dvd3500]

This thread is a bit GOGSy so I wasn't going to engage, but here's my view anyway.

I worked for oil companies for a solid 30 years. 
If Greta T. Is guarding the gates of heaven by the time I get there, I'm hellbound for sure. 

I drive a 2 litre petrol Golf GTi mk5 and will replace it when the new arises, however the car is :
- Still solid at 17 years old and at 110k  miles
- easily capable of the 10k per year I drive
- complies with london  Ulez so no charge for me to drive into the outskirts of London (which I do  weekly to race at LSCC.)


Electric vehicles won't solve the  congestion, parking or fatalities associated with cars. 
In the end , government policy drives our car buying decisions (including the decision of whether to even own a car)
Government policy drives clean energy generation but with idiots like grant schnapps blocking progress, what chance?

EVs are not a pollution free technology,  they are are "pollution elsewhere" technology until we reach a point where 100% of electricity generation is carbon emissions free. 
Don't try to tell me that "carbon capture" will solve this. It's been pedalled for decades as the solution yet no large scale carbon capture is a in place as of today.

If you want real insight into the subject of fossil fuels, take a look, at the BBC documentary  "big oil versus the world" On iplayer.
I recently saw an advert ( packaged as a documentary) on the jaguar EV. Jaguar seemed very pleased at how "integrated" the batteries are into the car fabrication.
Integrated means impossible to replace economically. 

Diesel? 
One of the very few subjects where Jeremy Clarkson and I agree : "the fuel of the devil" 
Never have (and never will) own a diesel

AlanW

PS
I take it as a FACT that we have to stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere

Thank you AlanW.
You are absolutely correct, whereby nothing is l pollution free, just by existing we produce pollution (see my methane "joke")... ;-)  

Don't get me started on all the carbon capture, hydrogen, e-fuel/synth fuel stuff... These are all technologies we desperately need but their usage and capability to cause an impact is vastly exaggerated...

[dvd3500]

........  And I meant to include in my previous post (in response to dvd3500) that Wikipedia is hardly the most trustworthy source on the internet.

All the valid points can be easily validated. Nearly every sentence cites an independent study or report.

While I agree some of the prose could be unreliable, if however within 2-3 clicks you can see the source I find it a perfectly valid place to start.