[Graham]

Here's one for your bookmarks, Dakar '79-'85...lots of photos

https://www.dakardantan.com

Yes that's the one I used as the basis of my list. Obviously left out the bikes 

[Graham]

Ok, I have updated the leader post with regard to inclusion of the 5th Category " Classic Dakar Sprint Race" 1979-1985 into the Technical Rules.

This might attract some new "Extreme Slotters" or just give the regulars something else to choose from 

[Kevan]

Just one thing about the proposed rules for 'hard plastic bodies only'...most of those on the list aren't available as hard plastic bodies, some are available that can be 3D printed so will be hard plastic/resin...or even carved in wood...will those be allowed?

[Graham]

Just one thing about the proposed rules for 'hard plastic bodies only'...most of those on the list aren't available as hard plastic bodies, some are available that can be 3D printed so will be hard plastic/resin...or even carved in wood...will those be allowed?

Hi Kevan,
"R5 Class (Classic Dakar Sprint Race) 1979-1985 Standard RTR models , Resin or 3d printed hard plastic moulded bodies are permitted. No procars are allowed in this category.  No lightweight vacuum formed shells permitted"

Not sure there would be many, if any entrants offering carved wood bodies, but if they did I would not object if they look like a reasonable quality representation of the model, but I would not allow lightweight vacuum formed representations of the models.

One thing that is an afterthought is that normally the entry fee is based on a 2 car entry for 2 different categories, but in this case I would clearly see that some entrants may only be interested in entering this 5th Category (Classic Dakar Sprint Race), so I would consider making an exception for those entrants to enter 2 cars in the same category.

[Graham]

 Good afternoon

Modified the rules relating to R5 category below

Also having found further data based on the actual Dakar Classic vehicle listing is now extended to year 2000.

[Graham]

I have amended the rules to allow for Ninco Raid chassis to be used with non standard bodies in R5 (Dakar Sprint Race) Category.

R5 Class (Dakar Sprint Race) 
Standard RTR models, Resin or 3d printed hard plastic moulded bodies are permitted. No RAID specific vehicles of the construction/brand type from the Category’s R2, R3 & R4 are allowed. Vehicles built using Ninco R1 chassis are permitted, but not Standard RTR. No lightweight vacuum formed shells permitted. Chassis can be as supplied in RTR models, modified or with 3d printed replacement and Brass & wire chassis are permitted. Motor type and orientation is free choice. Interior can be original or a 3d representation lightweight replacement. Interiors must include both driver and navigator, wheels must have inserts and all parts fully painted. Drop arms if used should be no longer than 4cm in length with a maximum drop of 1cm. It recommended to use sprung guides.

[Graham]

 Good Morning,
I am finalising a schedule for the proxy to run from early June through to August.
Cars to be received by the end of May.

So I will start a Provisional Entrant List

Can you please let me know by email, pm etc, if you are interested in entering and if so which of the 5 categories you want to enter. I might allow 3 car category entries this year.

I have included this year the Dakar Classic Sprint Race which might be worth a look at for those who don’t have regular Raid models.

[classicchrisk]

I have amended the rules to allow for Ninco Raid chassis to be used with non standard bodies in R5 (Dakar Sprint Race) Category.

R5 Class (Dakar Sprint Race)  Drop arms if used should be no longer than 4cm in length with a maximum drop of 1cm. It recommended to use sprung guides.

Where is the 4cm measurement taken from? Is it the active length of the drop arm, ie the axis of rotation of the guide, to axis of rotation of the drop arm to chassis? Or does the whole drop arm, to its extremities, need to fit within 4cm? The Ninco drop arm I purchased from Australia a few weeks ago, has an active length of 4cm, but to the extremities will be around 5mm longer than this. As you know, Ninco drop arms are hard to find, but may still be some shorter ones in the USA.

I hope the new rule means "active length", then it will conform by "luck", rather than "intention". Chassis were available from Pendle, but no signs of any drop arms anywhere in Europe. I bought it, expecting it to be the standard one for the chassis.

[Graham]

Hi Chris, I will clarify this point, as a matter of interest this week I have received a Fly Audi Quattro for the Rally Proxy which has a drop arm which was really a surprise to me. And as this is in the eligible Dakar Classic list I measured the drop height (braid to front wheels) of the droparm which was in fact around 2cm and was greater than the Ninco Raid car I have based this rule on against which was 1cm drop. So I will need to revise this rule requirement anyway as it woukd not be my intention to bar any Fly cars from entering.

But to explain my thinking on this ruling a little more.
The intention is to run this category of cars on the SCX and Ninco track circuits without any of the ancillary obstacles (ie boulders, ramps etc), but that is not to prevent hosts still having inclines or hump back bridges etc. Indeed I don't want the basic track designs to be changed from the the more challenging Categories runs apart from that explained above.  In fact Wye Valley often use a Ninco Raid track as a normal Rally stage for standard Rally cars.

So the question is do" long drop arms" benefit cars run on relatively flat surface, probably not, whereas the guide with suspension definetly does in this context.
But in order to discourage long drop arms from causing a potential advantage in the "Dakar Sprint Race" I wanted to limit the scope of any drop arms being designed into scratch build cars.

So basically the rule for this Category R5 will be a maximum drop height (braids to front wheel in maximum open position) 2cm. (not 1cm)

[classicchrisk]

Thanks Graham, yes "drop" is easier to measure and stops can be used to control it, too.