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Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - woodcote - 1st-Feb-21
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This is my basic tyre-truer. There's nothing very original about the concept - it's just my personal take on it.
It is ideal for truing rubber and urethane tyres on the rear axle of cars that don't have removable alloy wheels. And perfectly adequate for cars that do have alloy wheels. Plus it's very cheap. The big downside is that you're using the car's motor to drive the tyres on the sandpaper - if you take care, that won't over-stress the motor, but it will take extra time and patience.
It is a significant step up from truing on the track...
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For starters, you don't need three hands - and the results are much better.
How I made it
My DIY tyre truer is made from a scrap piece of Scalextric track that I’ve cut in half lengthways and then hack-sawed out a slice...
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At the front, I have soldered wires to each rail on the track and screwed the other ends to terminals (brass bolts), which are attached by crocodile clips to my old Maplins bench power supply. I set the power supply to 12 volts. At the other end of the track piece, I have a square of 6mm-thick mdf sheet that has sandpaper glued to each side – 400 grit on one side and 600 grit on the other. This gives a lovely flat sanding block. The base is a 25 x 12 cm piece of mdf, each end braced by a piece of white PVC angle...
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It wasn’t a difficult job and I had all the kit and materials lying around. To avoid the soldering and need for a power supply, you can use a Scalextric powerbase, power supply and controller – the C8545 powerbase can be picked up new for less than £5. The plastic and metal connectors will need to be cut from one end to allow the sanding block to sit snuggly. You can slice the track in half length-ways if you want to. You’ll need both hands to concentrate on the car, so either wrap a rubber band around the controller trigger to give permanent full power - or remove the controller from the plug and connect the two wires on the plug.
How it works
First a word of warning... I don’t recommend sanding tyres (or wheels) when a digital chip is fitted in the car. The added friction of the sandpaper requires more power to go through the chip to the motor. This risks damaging the C7005 retro-fit chip, the C8516 F1 digital plug and older versions of the C8515 standard digital plug. The latest version of the C8515 plug and the Slot.it SP15B chip are both designed to handle more power, but I would still urge caution. It is always advisable to remove a chip before any tyre sanding or truing.
The process of tyre truing is straightforward, but requires patience and care. Sanding too hard and too quick risks damaging the car’s motor, melting rubber tyres and messing up the sanding block.
The first step is to sand the plastic wheels, which may have lumps and bumps from the manufacturing process that will cause the tyres to be out of shape too. I remove the body from the car and then remove the tyres. I placed the car on the truing track so the motor and wheels spin, holding them up and away from the sandpaper. With the tyres removed, it’s important to be careful of the gears – especially with a sidewinder car – you really don’t want to sand down the gear! I move the sanding block to one side, so the wheel comes down on the edge of the block and the rest of the axle is suspended in mid air...
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I slowly lower the wheel so it is just touching the sandpaper – the coarser 400 grit is best for this. You don’t want to push the wheel down. Let the sandpaper gently do its work for five seconds – a count of “1,000 – 2,000 – 3,000 – 4,000 – 5,000” – and then lift up. After a break of at least five seconds, I lower the wheel for another five seconds of sanding. I repeated this process a few times until the centre of the wheel looks nice and smooth and any moulding imperfections have been sanded away. Then do the other wheel in the same way – moving the sanding block across. Each wheel took about two minutes of gentle, methodical sanding.
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Now it’s time to true the tyres. I replaced them on my nicely-trued wheels and placed the car back on the truing track, the tyres held above the sanding block...
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Using the 400 grit paper, I went through the same process as the wheels – gently lower onto the sandpaper, letting the grit do its job for a count of “1,000 – 2,000 – 3,000 – 4,000 – 5,000” and then lift and rest. The tyres grip the sandpaper much more than the plastic wheels, and the back of the car will shudder and rattle – it is important to hold the car steady with both hands, but without pushing down.
On Scalextric cars that have the motor in-line, you will see the motor flex in the chassis when you true the tyres. The pinion gear will climb up the crown gear, adding to the rattling noise. This isn’t good. It shows what happens under harsh acceleration on track – the movement and the poor mesh is a waste of energy that could be powering the car. It's a fine example of why the motor should be glued in. It'll also expose any slightly loose wheels! Better to sort them out now than lose performance at the races.
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The aim of the truing process and repeated five-second sandings is to produce a tyre surface that is perfectly flat and a circumference that is perfectly round. In practice, I am looking at a tyre surface that is smooth and has no shiny spots left – or perhaps just a narrow ring on each edge. That still gives a rounded ‘shoulder’ on the edges, which is important. A completely square edge can increase the car’s tendency to tip over. You can create a more rounded shoulder by spinning the wheels at 12 volts and sanding with an emery board.
The tyre truing process took me just over ten minutes for the Mustang shown here. Tyre residue did build up on the sandpaper and I brushed it away from time to time with a soft brush from my tool kit. And there was plenty of muck that came off the tyres when I cleaned them on masking tape. There'll also be tyre dust in the back half of the chassis and - if you do it with the body on - there'll be the underside of the body to clean out too...
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On the track, truing standard rubber tyres on the Mustang reduced lap times from 4.63 seconds to 4.28 seconds (7.5%) and made it easier to drive harder into and out of the corners.
Of course, if you plan to reduce the diameter of the tyres significantly, this will take a lot more time and patience. Although it's not possible to use this rig to true the front tyres on the front wheels, you could swap the tyres onto the rear wheels to true them. Alternatively, drive the opposite front wheel with a Dremel and rubber sanding drum, while lowering the other tyre onto the sanding block. That is a bit of a palaver and it's much easier to buy low-profile zero grip front tyres!
RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - Gordon Steadman - 1st-Feb-21
I built something similar but wired it backwards so the car is in reverse for sanding. This give far less judder and I reckon the result is slightly better - probably because of the lack of vibration.
RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - KensRedZed - 1st-Feb-21
Andy,
Thank you very kindly for this refresher. I started out exactly this way. It's great for a few sets of tires that are close to the right size... Or a few sets of HO tires someone is preparing to drag-race?
RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - KensRedZed - 1st-Feb-21
I removed the photo from the last post before posting. It somehow got mysteriously posted anyways. Then the system would not let me remove it.
I might as well just say this... The amount of wheels and tires in the above photo caused me give in and buy a store bought tire truer that can eat them up, yum. I was due for an early birthday present to myself anyways.
RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - CMOTD - 1st-Feb-21
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RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - KensRedZed - 1st-Feb-21
Thank you very kindly, Brian.
RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - Nonfractal - 2nd-Feb-21
I have a basic tyre skimmer based on the principles in the OP.
I use my RRV2 Rolling Road and a flat plate with sandpaper.
This simpistic approach works well for skimming RTR tyres like NSR red and Urethanes.
If I've optimised the gears to the point where they are fast and nearly silent, I may not want to run the motor and drive train in reverse to skim the tyres so in this case I have an old motor and mount setup onto which I can mount the wheels to skim them.
If I want to true and glue new Slot.it f22 , NSR ultras etc , I borrow an NSR type tyre truer from a club buddy.
In the end, money spend on a truer is money NOT spent on car parts.
Truer lathe units ( like the hudy ) are damn expensive and really can't be used for anything else.
Alan
RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - KensRedZed - 2nd-Feb-21
I agree with you Alan that the Hudy is super expensive.
But you also underlined why you don't need one all the time. You refered to skimming RTR tires.
I need to severely chop lots of meat off every set of tires for scratch-built cars. That takes time. Time is money. I chopped the daylights out of all the tires in the above photo in an afternoon.
My need to borrow a truer from someone else would be so over the top, it would cross the line into part time theft.
The tires on the Rover all started out the same size. You can't get this kind of fit without a proper truer.
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It really comes down to what type of cars you buy or build. I buy static kits and convert them into slot cars. I can't live without my truer.
Cheers,
Ken
RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - woodcote - 3rd-Feb-21
Yep, different tools for different needs. Like most slot car owners, I race ready-to-run (RTR) cars and most have plastic hubs. I hate to think that people like me might be inadvertently intimidated by thinking they need ultra-expensive tools to get worthwhile performance improvements.
Most of us here know that it's possible to find enormous performance gains for next to nothing...
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For example, with last year's Scalextric Mustang GT4, a 2-minute track test gave me a disappointing 15 laps and a best lap of 6.96 seconds straight out of the box - and pretty horrible handling. After a very quick scuffing (2 x 5 second bursts on my DIY truer), I was up to 20 laps and down to a 5.40 seconds best lap. Loosen the body screws a turn and I clocked 21 laps and a best lap of 5.01. Re-profiling the braids (SCX style) further improved the car to 23 laps and 4.75 seconds - and a really enjoyable car to drive.
These are simple, low-cost (sandpaper + screwdriver) tweaks for those running RTR cars at home or at a club. As I said earlier, the more complete wheel and tyre truing on my DIY truer improved the car to 25 laps and 4.28 seconds. From out of the box, that's a jump of ten laps (+66%) and a reduction of 2.68 seconds (-40%) over a lap. Pretty much for free.
More advanced (and expensive) tweaks will improve performance even more - but they will be much smaller gains and many more $$$ per hundredth of a second. Of course, those extra marginal gains might possibly create a potential race-winner in an ultra-competitive field... if the driver is any good
The 'big-bang-for-no-bucks' basics are within everyone's reach - no expensive tools required. I reckon that's how to hook people on the joys of tuning cars. In fact, there's loads of great stuff in the SlotRacer's Manual: slotracer.online/manual
RE: Basic Tyre Truer for Scalextric, Carrera, Fly etc - woodcote - 11th-Dec-21
Very similar to my DIY truer is the ready-to-use Proses model. It's now on sale for £39.95 at Pendles...
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https://www.pendleslotracing.co.uk/proses-slot-car-tyre-truer-cleaner-1-32.html